Kays Creek Irrigation Board Meeting

Kays Creek Irrigation Board Meeting
Layton Public Works Conference Room


Scott Green
Jon Green
Woody Woodruff
Steve Jackson
Kevin Hill
Gary Crane

Joe Hill Ditch – Kevin and 5 others have been using it for years. Destination Homes didn’t want to pipe it when they bought the land. Steve Bingham and Kevin had been talking about putting money toward another solution, but the shareholders didn’t feel that Destination would necessarily do what they would. Kaysville City issued a decision that Destination Homes pipe the ditch if there were no legal right to water. Based on the Kays Creek letter stating that water would not be put down the ditch, the decision was made in favor of Destination Homes. They did have to put up a bond in case other legal issues come up but they are selling home lots. Kevin and the others do not feel that water flow is not as good as it has been in the past with the Joe Hill ditch, the volume is not as good. The water hasn’t been as high in the can.
Woody: What is the pipe difference?
Kevin: it goes from 15 inches to 12
Woody: There is a large tree nearby. There might be balls of roots that may be obstructing the flow of water.
Scott: that has happened in the past near Hobbs
Kevin: that is something to look at. That is probably not the cause though of what I am seeing. Solutions that may work: since water is being delivered down the lateral to Dave Ferber, the Joe Hill ditch could still be used if the board reversed its decision, or improvements could be made to the Weaver Lane pipe.
Scott: We could make improvements to the headgate. Asked Jon if he had enough water for his land in the same area with the 12 inch pipe. Jon said yes. If an 18 inch pipe were put in place and the headgate were put in flat, he could take the entire stream without it backing up.
Kevin: I don’t know
Woody: Are there any other boxes along the route or are they screwgates? Screwgates and sliding. It shouldn’t change the dynamics that much.
Scott: The screw gate in your box is a 12 inch.
Kevin: I feel like the difference is where the water is being delivered.
Scott: You are the first on the line behind Bob Parrish. We will be losing Destination Homes, there are 10 hours there.
Kevin: We haven’t been short because when we’ve seen water flow we’ve diverted it even though it wasn’t our turn. The turns have been liberal enough that we haven’t been short. Last year we watered every two weeks instead of every week. I think we got more grass this year than last.
Jon: You don’t have enough water to cover your ground with the time you are allotted. You are going to have to rent water. We rent a lot to cover our ground.
Kevin: Joe dug the ditch originally to help cover his ground. He dug a high volume ditch and that shows that there were water flow issues back them.
Jon: He did that to get the water to his ground, not to your property.
Scott: Problem with Davis Weber, they’ve cut their allotment by half. These farmers can’t cover their ground because of it.
Clark: Are the farmers getting their full water share in the time allotted by Kays Creek?
Scott: We’ve never done a study. Did you even get that through the Joe Hill ditch? You had to water 7 hours to get your land covered. We’ve had farmers down there on turns for years and never had problems. There should be a way to measure the water to be sure that the full amount is being provided. The reason we don’t want the ditch is because of the liability issue. When Dave Farber is gone, we won’t have to use the ditch at all.
Kevin: When you made that decision, it took away our leverage with Destination Homes. It put the final nail in our coffin.
Scott: We are going to move the headgate, and make sure that it is a good one that doesn’t leak. We will make it easy to use and operate, possibly stemless. We will measure the water amount to make sure you are getting your full amount and provide all the studies.
Kevin: That is not my main concern.
Scott: If we find that you are not getting your full share of water, as users drop off, we could increase the water time.
Kevin: Would you increase the amount of time for us to use the water?
Scott: I think we could do that.
Jon: 30 hours will be out of the schedule next year.
Kevin: Who controls how much water comes down?
Scott: We do
Kevin: How can we be protected if someone looks at the situation later and says we’re getting more than our share?
Scott: We will have to right it up.
Kevin: What about the solution of a pressurized system?
Scott: Because of the tri-lateral agreement between Kaysville City and Davis and Weber, if we put in the pressurized system lines, we would eventually lose them if you sold your land and it was developed. It would be putting money toward something that wouldn’t offer a return.
Kevin: What about the lines that are already there?
Steve: Those are Davis and Weber lines. You could get water from there but we can’t get Kays Creek water into the lines.
Kevin: It seems like the best thing to do is to increase watering times. Is that possible?
Scott: That is what Alan will do. We will get a study done and let you know what we can do.
Scott: I will talk to Monte at Davis and Weber to get help to measure the water flow.

Andy Adams stinks badly. It has a lot of bad bacteria on the bottom and not enough good bacteria to balance it out. We are fielding a lot of complaints from out west. The water smells and is staining the fences, though not as badly as last year. I took the water to Weber Basin for testing and she said it was high in magnesium and iron. Without oxygenation, the water stagnates and smells. A short term solution is using a chemical solution that is eco friendly. Scott has already ordered the stuff and it should be here in 10 days. The long term solution would be to either mix the pond or shoot oxygen into it. The better solution is the oxygenation. There is also a possibility of dealing with the iron levels.

Davis and Weber approached Scott wanting to know if we want to take over certain areas down in west Layton along the Kaysville border. We could access their lines easily. They would turn off their valves and divert the water into Kaysville to help fulfill the demand within the city. Would we have enough water to provide for them? Our studies show that we can service 2500 homes. This would provide 600 homes right off the bat, but Scott is leery of agreeing until we can deal with the issues with water out of Andy Adams. Woody: We’ve been battling Davis and Weber for years, but now there is a changing of the guard there and Rick Smith is realizing that previous managers have made promises that they couldn’t fulfill. If Kays Creek takes it over, it will delineate the boundaries better and make the water situation equitable because the Layton residents on Davis and Weber pay way more than Kays Creek Irrigation customers. This would help with the water master plan as well. Layton City strongly recommends that Kays Creek Irrigation take on these customers. Clark: Do we have the water? Scott: Yes. Ckark: What about when east Layton customers get a notice that water is being shut off early? That is a different system. We buy water from Weber Basin and when they shut off we shut off. This is another reason that we want to raise the level of Hobbs 10 feet. That would supply more homes. The customers would need to connect. We could charge them a higher fee the first year to cover the connection costs and then the amount would drop down to $150.00. Davis and Weber has already taken the idea to their board. Woody: FYI: Layton City and Weber Basin are already in talks to have the city take over the maintenance of their lines. Weber Basin wants to move to being a water supplier only. What about the meeting we attended when the mayor talked about wanting the city to be over all the water? If we followed Weber Basin we would still be the water supplier, even if the city maintained the lines. Are we going to inherit a mess with their lines? No, the lines are PVC, not transite, but I would include a clause in the agreement that had a timeline where they would be responsible for any repairs. This is a process that would take time. Clark: I make a motion that we move forward with negations with Davis and Weber and ensure that if we take on those customers that they pay for the connection to our system and work out a clause that they would insure the lines for a few years. Jon seconded the motion.

Connecting Hobbs and Andy Adams: We have two proposals. To connect the reservoirs would cost $88,000. This is a construction cost only and does not include pipe or the regulator ($20,000) we would need. We get a better deal if we buy the 12 inch pipe, plus we have a fusing machine and we would do the fusing ourselves. It would be $75,000 for pipe. This would be a project for a year out.

Layton Parkway ends at 2200 W. We would go on the east side to where the church is going to be, end the 18 inch line and go to an 8 inch line that would connect two subdivisions. It would pick up around 150 homes. The proposed cost for the line to the future church site is $47,894.73 for construction. 18 inch pipe would be $45,526. The 8 inch pipe would cost $6400. This needs to be done soon so that we can collect fees off of Harmony Place and Flint Fields totaling $73,000. This would be collected over time, however, because of construction being done in phases. We are taking in more bids, however, to see if we can get the cost lower. Budget: we have enough to get us through to March 1st with a little to spare. If we do the project, it will be through the money in savings. Jon made a motion to move ahead with the project as long as we don’t overspend. Woody seconded.

There is a subdivision east of Jerry Stevenson’s place called Arbor Estates that wants to hook on to Jerry’s line. He told them that it would cost $20,000 to $25,000 to hook on. The line belongs to Jerry Stevensen, he paid for it, and he maintains it, but he has stated his intent to turn the line over to Kays Creek. Alpine Homes then said that they didn’t want to have secondary water. Woody proposed that we charge them half the cost and then when they put in phase 2, have the other half paid. After Jerry receives his money, he will turn the line over to us. Alpine Homes agreed to this and Jerry did as well. We would need to get all the particulars in writing. Woody: I make a motion to allow the developer to pay the fees in two installments if Jerry Stevenson is agreeable. Jon seconded the motion.

Clark asked to revisit the Catherine Nalder issue. The water for Catherine Nalder is in the pressurized system. Where they want to use it at Randy Weaver’s is on a ditch. There would be no way to regulate the amount of water that went down the ditch. Jon: that line is plugged up anyway. He would never be able to use it. Scott: It would cost him thousands of dollars to open the line. He was stealing the water anyway. He never asked to use the water and put in a pump to access it. Clark: How do we address the issue so that it doesn’t keep coming up in meetings? Woody: We could send a letter articulating our position. Scott: We counted up all the water shares and we have more than we need. We aren’t using their water for use in the pressurized system. They only have 7 acres and can’t even utilize their full 27 shares. Technically they could lose them to the state for lack of use. Should we send a letter? Clark: I will go and visit them.

The meeting closed at 6:32pm.